Too late. The damage is done. It will take years to reverse this decision.
No need to. Biden can have the 6 corrupt justices killed. He has the immunity and he can pick new justices. If members of the senate refuse to put the new justices on the bench, have them killed too. No rules anymore.
The quickest way to save the country would be for Biden to kill the 6 justices that ruled in favour of immunity (and I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t even mind since they’re the ones that made it legal), install 6 liberal judges and the new court can overturn every ruling the corrupt court made. Which means Biden would probably end up in prison, but hey, it’s a small price to pay for democracy.
I mean he would certainly make a mark as one of the most interesting president’s yet by doing so…
How? Wouldn’t what he did be legal when he did it?
Why would he end up in prison? It would not have been a crime when he committed it. That’s what immunity means.
Yep. They made an official ruling, Biden acts on it appropriately, new Justices get appointed in a month (or else), new Court orders a review of every case the six fascists ruled on.
Oh, what do you know, first out the door, no, extrajudicial murder powers aren’t supported by the Constitution!
Whoopsie.
Biden should use the Emergency Alert text system to let every American know what this ruling means, and what’s at stake.
Or, at least break into broadcast programming with an address to inform everyone.
Fuck your dumb ass IRL @everyone, its my phone not yours.
Just write it up in an executive order. Official as it gets
This is the way.
The president can’t commit criminal acts and claim it was an official capacity, lol.
Al-Aulaqi v. Obama made kill lists for Americans legal.
You can organize a coup to overthrow the government and claim it’s an official act, there’s absolutely nothing stopping a president from claiming assassinations are an official act now. Hell, the commander in chief already organizes assassinations on foreign targets.
The Democrats might not abuse this, but the Republicans will, and they have given themselves carte blanche to start killing political dissidents.
Is this fascism yet, or are we waiting for the trains to run on time?
I think we all know that one of those two things will never happen in the land of the free and home of the mass-produced automobile.
If they are traitors and terrorists, he may have to send them to Guantanamo.
The executive doesn’t put people in prison the judicial does.
That was yesterday.
There’s some hyperbole in these threads for sure, but not a lot. The president can’t handwave away the bill of rights, because nothing in the constitution gives them that power.
However, the president does have the authority as commander in chief of authorizing lethal force against individuals. If Biden authorized Seal Team 6 to execute Trump, that is in fact an official act that he has the authority to perform. Sure maybe it is technically not legal, but that doesn’t matter since the president has complete immunity from criminal law. The house could still draft articles of impeachment but the senate would be unable to remove the president because the president is immune to criminal proceedings.
And if Trump wants to create an organization to round up and execute all the gays (and the Jews, of course), he has the power to do that; and with today’s ruling, he will never face consequences for doing so.
Irreparable damage has been done to American democracy today.
The Christian Caliphate was birthed today, and Trump will be supreme Ayatollah
No, the president cannot kill an American on Americain soil. Get a hold of yourself.
But as an official act, the president can strip someone of citizenship.
I’m pretty sure everyone here is either retarded or intentionally daft. Read the ruling you fucking moron.
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America has jurisdiction in America. If the crime is committed overseas obviously the laws overseas would prosecute them. Did they stop teaching civics in middle school?
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The supreme court disagrees with you, but OK I’ll bite.
Why can’t a president kill an american citizen on american soil? Because it’s illegal? Do you understand that that that no longer applies to the president?
At this point you need to present your evidence that they can’t because SCROTUS literally said they can
At this point you’ve outed yourself as a partisan hack that is stuck in binary thinking.
At this point, you’re a towel.
But he can commit official acts that happen to be criminal. Semantics are fun!
That’s literally not true. An official act cannot be a criminal act. Once it’s a criminal act it’s unofficial.
Read the ruling.
Your logic doesn’t even follow. Why would the president need immunity for a non-criminal act? Think about it for like 2 seconds dude.
Exactly! Exactly right!
Read the ruling!
Trumps own legal team has described political assassinations as qualifying as an official act as president
That too is addressed in the ruling. Fancy that!
It is! in the dissenting opinion in which Sotomayor explicitly describes this ruling as granting immunity for political assassinations
Supreme court literally just said he could by saying Jan 6 was fine for President to incite
While i agree with you, it’s a huge grey area. Like Biden could have trump assassinated and then claim that his constitutional duties require him to protect the cotus from enemies both foreign and domestic.
Official act or not?
The ruling says that Biden would have charges brought against him, and the court (not the supreme Court mind you) would decide wether or not the act was in an official capacity.
Please cite where in the ruling it says charges would be brought against him.
In fact, it would have to be the DoJ or Congress that did so - Biden could order the DoJ to stop, and arguably could have anyone in Congress killed or jailed without trial by stating that they presented a clear danger to democracy by trying to impeach him.
Who says he can’t? The Supreme Court just said that he’s immune from “official acts” without even defining what that would mean. Who determines what is and isn’t an official act? The President? The Supreme Court? Right now, as this ruling is worded, all bets are off. There’s nothing stopping a sitting President from just arbitrarily declaring someone as a threat to national security and having them picked off by ST6 as an “official act to prevent a terrorist attack against the United States”, then just having the details classified.
Having something criminal declared as an “official act” is piss-easy, especially when you’re in charge of the branch making the decision and you have one of the other branches in your back pocket, possibly both.
That’s what laws are for.
The laws about that were just thrown out the window with this ruling. Everything is an official act as long as he was president when he stated it to he done. Ordering fries from McDonald’s is now an official act as well.
Tell me didn’t read the ruling without telling me you didn’t read the ruling.
You just showed us you didn’t lol
If it were, Trump would have been behind bars years ago.
Don’t bother with this “user”. Look at their comment history. The person showed up today to defend this obvious act against democracy. My guess is a Russian/Chinese misinformation promoter.
Got me. I live in Russia.
Probably is a total coincidence that you’re saying this here.
Good. Fuck off then.
You’re trying to play it off like a joke, but that should really trigger some introspection.
Shoutout to Voyager for implementing Apollo’s new account marker. It makes spotting trolls really easy.
Because I don’t follow your ridiculous narrative that the president is now a king I’m a troll?
“Congress may not criminalize the president’s conduct in carrying out the responsibilities of the executive branch under the Constitution” makes pretty much anything fair fucking game.
“The president enjoys no immunity for his unofficial acts, and not everything the President does is official. The President is not above the law,”
I don’t understand how you can confuse this sentence. People act like the president can commit any crime they want. That is categorically false. Crimes committed in the name in the highest office of the land are not o in an official capacity.
The U.S. Constitution includes several provisions that limit the powers of the president and prevent the president from committing crimes without consequences:
Article I, Section 2 and Section 3: These sections provide the House of Representatives the power to impeach the president and the Senate the power to try and convict the president. Impeachment is a process by which the president can be removed from office for committing “Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” Article II, Section 4: This section specifically states that the president, vice president, and all civil officers of the United States can be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
Article II, Section 1, Clause 8: The president must take an oath of office to “faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” This oath implies a legal and ethical obligation to adhere to the law and Constitution.
Checks and Balances: The Constitution establishes a system of checks and balances, whereby the legislative and judicial branches can limit the actions of the executive branch. Congress can pass laws, override presidential vetoes, and control the budget, while the judiciary can review the constitutionality of presidential actions through judicial review.
Together, these provisions and principles ensure that the president is subject to the rule of law and can be held accountable for criminal actions.
So in other words, Trump can do whatever he wants as long as his cronies vote that it’s okay.
Nothing you wrote ensures anything.
Trump was impeached twice with no consequence.
“Official acts” is arbitrary.
Then you are a fool and cannot be reasoned with. Clutch your pearls and shout to the sky your “democracy died in darkness”. Troll.
Have you been living under a rock?
Guess you missed Trump’s entire presidency.
The president can’t commit criminal acts and claim it was an official capacity, lol.
What the fuck do you mean “lol”. That is PRECISELY what this ruling does. It removes criminal liability for anything that is done as an official act, which is entirely fucking subjective, and up to the interpretation of a corrupt, coopted judiciary. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.
No, that’s not how any of this works. You clearly don’t understand. A person of power cannot commit a crime and claim it was in official capacity, but they act itself is against the law and cannot be committed without consequence.
And who decides how to interpret law and levy consequence? And whose pocket are they in?
Wow. You are a fucking idiot lol. Ooof. I feel bad for you.
You believe the president can commit a crime and just walk away because . . . Why, exactly?
It was an official act to use a drone on his political opponents.
The stupidity of this statement truly strains belief given the actual verbiage in this ruling. May you suffer the full weight and consequences of that stupidity.
A person of power cannot commit a crime and claim it was in official capacity, because the act itself is against the law and cannot be committed without consequence.
This whole ruling is because of a person in power (Trump) who committed a crime (fake electors plot to overturn the 2020 election) and is claiming it as an official capacity of the office. That’s the whole point of the case which was appealed to the Supreme Court.
So what consequence will Trump face for his crimes now based on this ruling?
And he’s going to court for it, isn’t he? Ya fuckin nob.
Strategically speaking liberal politicians are backed into a corner and only have two real options:
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Seize control preemptively, promoting conservative conspiracy to prophecy, and likely inciting CW2.
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Hand over full control come January and hope they continue to maintain some privilege under a new regime.
They’re already in check, but more concerned with soliciting large donations and collecting hot stick tips.
Option 2 is suicide. I guess that’s it for American Democracy. Of course, option 3 being that the Democrats win every election until the Republican party collapses. At which point the Democratic party will likely split, with one part becoming a moderate party, and the other half absorbing the remains of the Republican party.
I want to move away so bad
Oh boy I can’t wait to get to another capitalist country!
Go. Start some research, and head out. Many countries you can just enter. Call it a vacation for the first year and see if you like it.
Or … Ya know… Get the votes
We want them to do option 1, but know they are going to choose option 2.
When confronted with fascist Threats liberals always blink. They’ll wave through masses of bodies to destroy what they proceed to be a leftist threat, but they don’t stand up to fascists.
All democracies turn into dictatorships - but not by coup. The people give their democracy to a dictator, whether it’s Julius Caesar or Napoleon or Adolf Hitler. Ultimately, the general population goes along with the idea.
George Lucas
I don’t like sand.
George Lucas
Didn’t Caesar literally march his army into Rome? ‘crossing the rubicon’ - and then there was a thing called the roman civil war
Yeah. There was also the title, literally “dictator”, that was bestowed on individuals in times of crisis (or perceived crisis), and in some cases the power of the dictator was returned to the republic when the crisis was addressed (see Cincinnatus). Rome had an established process for giving power to the dictator.
Liberal politicians do not need to be the ones to make sure #1 happens. The second amendment literally exists so the citizens have the capacity to do that ourselves.
200 years ago though, now you’ll get shit stomped by the military. The 2a thing is honestly a joke.
It wasn’t a joke from me. Democracy dies when the good man does nothing. I am a good man and I will fight for this democracy, as fucked up as it is. The right believes the left to be weak pacifists because we choose compromise, tolerance, and acceptance over bigotry, hate, and subjugation. They will need to learn the hard way that we choose that because we know that mutually beneficial social contracts make living better and provide a safe, prosperous world. They obviously do not want to be party to these social contracts with me, so I will not allow them any of the safety or benefits.
Eh, Iraq and Afghanistan went rather poorly for the United States.
What does that have to do with the second amendment?
Second amendment grants the right to bear arms, arms were used by the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan.
What does Iraq and Afghanistan have to do with America and taking arms up against our government? You really think a bunch of hillbillies with guns are going to do shit against our military?
But the president has the power to tell the army “Don’t do shit” in complete impunity.
He does, but why would the president tell the army to do nothing when the people are rising up against said president? Nobody is that stupid, any rise up against the government will end with the military curb stomping it in about 15 minutes.
We’re talking about people rising against the Republican side of the government
Domestic wars are never pretty, no matter how powerful the military. Most people in the military don’t serve to shoot their own country. Countries don’t want to damage their own infrastructure or enflame their own people. Oligarchs won’t support a war that damages their bottom line. People vastly over simply how easy it would be to stop an armed resistance.
Did you see the police step on people during the blm 2020 marches? They have no problem being fascists
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While it’s great in concept, and some awesome posturing- this will fall flat before it ever sees the light of day.
Let it.
‘Primaries and midterms don’t matter’. Lol.
Get out and vote, people.
the democrats literally cancelled their effective primary and selected Biden. Remember Tulsi Gabbard? They won’t let her run cause she’d fucking win, same as Sanders. It’s a one party state, and it’s not subtle
That’s simply not true, Tulsi Gabbard had the opportunity to submit her name to the primary election after getting enough signatures just like Dean Phillips and Marriane Williamson did.
She didn’t even do that, the most basic step of trying to become president, I wouldn’t blame the DNC for her not bothering with the basics.
Fucking ostrich.
During a Fox & Friends interview on March 6, 2024, Gabbard was directly asked about serving as Trump’s vice-president. She responded, “I would be honored to serve our country in that way and be in a position to help President Trump…” In March 2024, Gabbard was cited by Trump as one of his potential choices for his vice presidential running mate.
Seems like you’re the one who isn’t paying attention
Not only did she not even apply for the Democratic Nomination, she seems more inclined to being Trump’s VP than a possible democratic nominee.
People have been saying that for years. Why not make voting something we don’t need to get out to do though? I think it’s ridiculous and frankly anti-democratic to only count votes from people that travel to a polling station in the 21st century.
A lot of states have mail in voting
Voting gives us no control with the current party system. We need ranked choice voting, end campaigns and advertising. Only 1 website will have the candidates and their platforms, tax funded only, anyone who wants to run can run and ranked choice voting will make the actual most popular acceptable candidate win.
Lol we are so fucked.
Fuck yes.
They should not only be impeached, but charged with 340 million counts of violating the civil rights of the American people (multiplied by dozens of rulings). Life in prison for those criminals.
We deserve a fresh, genuinely impartial court with term limits - three decades ago.
You can have it, if enough people fight for it. Now the president can practically do it all by himself.
She wont be able to do anything. The reason supreme court decided to move forward with this decision is because they are 100% confident that Trump will win presidency and republicans will control both the house and the Senate. After seeing Biden in the last debate, I believe they are right.
Yes pls
If they tank biden she should run heh
I’d like AOC to resign for voting to stop the rail union from striking.
The president should just get rid of the supreme court justices he doesn’t want. He can legally do that now bc of the supreme court
As long as you say “I declare official act!” before you do it, you’re good.
“Sorry, Mrs. Thomas, but your trip on the billionaire’s super yacht has been cancelled and you and your husband are coming with us–by official act and order of King Joe.”
Can you… Can you do that?
Like seriously, I’m tired of whining on the internet about this shit. Where can I go to learn about joining a protest? It’s better that doing fuck all by tut-tutting the establishment hellbent on fucking us over while they count their money.
