If the house and Senate approve. She can’t just do it on her own
YES SHE CAN!!
She can do all the things!! More money for me, legal weed,
more money for genocide(wait, she can do that and will…let’s not talk about that one), eat the rich, free abortions, free healthcare!!!She can do it all!! Definitely not items that Congress has to pass! Harris will do it all by her powerful self!!
What the fuck is with that horrible picture jesus CHRIST
Oh.
My minded automatically corrected that as “doubling from 15 to 30”. Because that’s what it needs to be, at least.
What’s the basis for $30/hr? First time seeing that number in the wild.
And out comes the abacus.
Insightful
I’m seeing 21.50 from articles in 2020 tying min wage to productivity. Maybe that’s the number basis? Or living wage? A living wage per state adjustment for one adult with one child seems to put lw around 30 in a lot of states, with the single adult needing 13-20.
All good possible points, but only one person in this thread can answer what the number basis is, so who knows.
I think the common sentiment is that minimum wage should be rated annually tied to a major factor on how much spending power that money has like inflation or productivity.
Minimum wage started in 1938 at $0.25. if it kept up with inflation today that would be $5.59, which is far from enough to survive with even the most basic rent and groceries.
“”" The dollar had an average inflation rate of 3.68% per year between 1938 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 2,136.18%.“”"
https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1938?amount=0.25
Productivity however has decoupled from wages decades ago, here’s the EPI graph most reference:
If we re-coupled those values for minimum wage today that would be much higher. 3 years ago CBS reported it would be about $26: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minimum-wage-26-dollars-economy-productivity/
Where did that money go instead of paying fair wages?
Because we’ve been arguing it should be at least 15 for 10 years, and inflation is a bitch and if federal minimum wage had tracked with inflation since the last time it was bumped, it would be closer to 30 bucks an hour than to 15.
And it should be all at once. The instant it’s passed, $30/hr. None of us got eased into it when gas prices and grocery prices and rent and health insurance went up.
I understand your sentiment, but if that’s your policy basis, you’d be asking for $10 /he instead of $15.
Not necessarily a bad idea, I just wanted to know how that number was generated, because without that data, it’s not necessarily a good idea either.
Just read the comments, the data is there.
If you read the comments, it’s actually not. Inflation alone doesn’t account for pinning wages near $30, so that’s not really a good explanation given that it’s nonfactual. Even if he’s considering the living wage instead of historical minimums, $30 is still about 30% higher than what an average living wage would be. Is there some other consideration he has that I’m missing? I wouldn’t know without asking due to an unfortunate lack of psychic powers.
Anyways, sorry I asked for the policy reasoning behind a policy position. It clearly offended many, I realize my mistake, and won’t bring that kind of nonsense around here again.
And note that her wording was “at least $15”, so she’s signaling openness to doing more than that
$15.05 an hour! Increasing at a rate of 11 cents per year from the current minimum of $7.25 Except tipped workers; they still get $2.13.
Good, because “fight for $15” has been going on so long that the real number to regain parity with what minimum wage used to be is a lot higher than that by now.
it’s $22 now
Wow, so you are building up accounts to sell huh?
I saw this EXACT comment on a different post just yesterday from another username.
These account farmers are LAZY!
Hmmm…sounds a lot like vote buying.
I would love to see the Trump campaign vow to quadruple the minimum wage just to watch people on this site do their mental gymnastics to convince themselves that Trump doesn’t have the power to do so, but Harris does.
There it is, ladies and gentlemen, the dumbest take off the day.
Even before Trump became the blubbering mess he is today, we’ve had 4 years of seeing him welch on every promise he’s ever made. Why should anyone believe his campaign promises now?
Why, just a few days he vowed to use the United States military against citizens he doesn’t like, such as Nancy Pelosi, which is patently illegal and gross. Imagine if Obama, Biden or Harris had said that at any point, you’d be up in arms!
You’ve let his propaganda convince you that he’s on your team, so now you have to win no matter what, even if his policies are directly against your interests and freedoms as a human.
Woosh
What’s that woosh for? The person who commented or your grasp on reality?
Look through the original commenter’s post history. They aren’t joking. They keep posting pro-trump stuff
Well, that was a bad idea.
TIL vote buying is when you propose policies that people want and, not say, running a 1 million dollar lottery to sign a pro-trump petition
I guess we’re about to find out if Elon has better lawyers than Mr Beast
I would also love to see that!
Please Donald Trump, vow to quadruple the minimum wage! I promise it will cause doublethink among the libs and help your campaign!!
You seem to be under the impression that people hate Trump for being trump and not because he has dogshit policies and ideas.
If he did good things, like raising the minimum wage, liberals wouldn’t hate him. But he also wouldn’t have the rabid base of morons that he currently has.
After all he’s done so far, I would vehemently disagree. He’s a known liar, convicted fraudster, and a racist, misogynistic narcissist. Nothing he could do would make liberals hate him less before the day he dies because he doesn’t have enough years left in his lifespan to atone for what’s already been done.
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I’ll believe it when I see it. Seems every candidate has promised this for as long as I’ve been following American politics and no one actually manages it.
She’s yet to pull out “I will lower taxes!” card that’s been over-promised. “I will lower inflation rates!” card that’s been over-promised.
So many empty promises from any politician that has ever said those.
Vice President Harris and Governor Walz believe that working families deserve a break. That’s why under their plan more than 100 million working and middle-class Americans will get a tax cut.
And if you read the document associated, its because they are pushing to raise on the $400+k/yr taxes.
Its a bit of an overview of course, but there is meat of course.
Based
Dang that is a lot of trackers
Sorry, Google is a real bitch sometimes
Not even mad! Impressed.
They’ll blame someone other than their ineptitude in governing
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
That’s great!
Certain burger-flipping former presidents have legal fees to pay and this goes a LONG way to making due.
How out of touch do you need to be to offer something lower than Walmart’s starting wage? And how many times have we heard this lie?
The headline is a little misleading, she said “at least $15” not that she wants it necessarily at exactly $15/hr and no morr
Either way it’s still another bullshit lie to lead people to the polls. The day after the election it will never be brought up again
At least it’s a bullshit lie that appeals to the left, I’ve been getting tired of the Democrats’ campaign strategy of “we need to move further right.”
They are saying shit like this because they see they are bleeding the left leaning vote. They will still keep going to the right.
“The left doesn’t like our party.”
“Let’s go more conservative to appeal to voters who are probably ok with voting for the more fascistic candidate.”
“We’re losing support among leftists, better double down on being conservative.”
The Democrats lose the election.
“Why would the Left do this?”
“Clearly we didn’t move far enough to the right. The left are unreliable voters who don’t appreciate everything we do for the right.”
Except Democrats did try to pass $15 after the last election. It didn’t work and a bunch of the worst ones defected, but it wasn’t just quietly forgotten.
They let the unelected parliamentarian say they couldn’t do it. The person that has zero power in congress
Then they had a vote and failed to pass it. But they didn’t just quietly ignore the campaign.
Sanders led the group that called for the vote. As centrists are so delighted to point out when it’s convenient to them, Sanders is not a Democrat.
If it were up to Democrats, they would have thrown up their hands and gleefully announced that there was nothing they could do. Sanders is the reason you can pretend that Democrats don’t hate workers.
Oh please. This started as a simple false statement and now you’re moving the goalposts for them. The Democrats didn’t just propose $15 and “the day after the election it [was] never brought up again”. They tried, maybe they could have tried more, but that they weren’t even close to 50 suggests any path was a failure. They did have 40-something Democrats though, aka the vast majority of the party. That there are shitty Democrats isn’t a revelation.
And this idea that Sanders isn’t a Democrat in any meaningful way is fun trivia, not something a person who is attempting to engage in meaningful conversation about politics takes seriously. He caucuses with them, wins the Democratic primary in his state, competes to lead the party, and supports Democratic nominees even when they’re from the other end of the party. The centrists are disingenuous idiots but so are the leftists who do the exact same thing. Sanders likes the aesthetic of “independent”, good for him, he’s still on team (D) and not remotely the only good senator on it.
I can get a two dollar raise…
Well it’s better than the FUCKING CONCENTRATION CAMP I’d get from the other guy
Yeah except the concentration camps come with free room and board.*
*Charges for the room and board will be deducted from your earnings as a slave.
Wait, doubling it -to- 15 dollars an hour? Holy shit, I knew it was bad, but that is insane. Ours is already starting to feel too low at 17.40 here in Canada, granted that is about the equivalent of around $12.50 USD. So it’s lower than what she is proposing, maybe if she manages it, we’ll be able to get ours up.
Most states have their own minimum wage laws at this point. Not all of them. So this will help a handful of mostly-red states.
The last place I worked upped their minimum wage to $10 an hour. It certainly wasn’t because of benevolence or federal shifts…they slowly realized that when you pay the absolute minimum, you only attract the minimum talent, and most of those positions had very high turnover rates that were costing the company more than it’d be to just raise the starting pay rates.
It was cheaper to pay those positions more money.
Unfortunately in my state where the minimum wage is higher than the federal, many service industry companies refuse to learn that lesson. Or they think 16 cents above minimum wage is enough to attract top tier talent.
It’d only put the US at 5th in the world for minimum wage, which considering the cost of living in the US vs most other countries.
TBF developed countries like Switzerland don’t have a minimum wage law, but have near universal union representation.
Yeah, the states have been moving towards 15, but the national minimum wage has been stuck for a few decades. And also yes, 15 is already way too low.
Even the McDonalds around here know that even the most desperate laugh at 7.25 an hour
It varies by province and at the federal level in Canada, 17.40 is for BC specifically, Alberta and Saskatchewan are the lowest at 15, Nunavut is the highest at 19 and it’s 17.30 for jobs under federal jurisdiction.
Doubling the federal minimum wage would be $14.0 not $15
Actually it would be $14.50 if you want to get really pedantic
You’re about 5 - 10 years behind, maybe longer, Harris.
And they’ll STILL walk it back the moment some unelected clerk with only ceremonial authority objects. If not before THAT even happens.
They always start negotiations at “nowhere near good enough” and make tons of concessions to Republicans from there.
Even the GOP becoming a literal fascist party that never negotiates in good faith hasn’t changed their toxic inadequacy and insistence on bipartisanship being the highest political virtue possible.
Is this an argument as to why we shouldn’t raise the minimum wage?
Heard this before. Democrats will encounter one tiny setback and give up until the next election cycle.
Good!
Now also link it to yearly inflation annually in December!
The number needs to be set to a good value, but this is the most frustrating aspects of this whole song and dance because there shouldn’t even be a question about whether it should track inflation. Just setting another flat value so we can watch it atrophy away is maddening. The whole concept is directly related to the cost of goods, and the people needing this wage are the most impacted by price changes. And since it’s supposed to be a floor, you know minimum wage employers aren’t going to voluntarily raise wages to track inflation. They’d be paying even less if they were allowed.
Even if the businesses-first majority of politicians try to low-ball the target, there’s no legitimate argument for not making it auto-update. Businesses just like to reap the extra exploitation between updates.
