“Fidelity is currently valuing X at about $9.4 billion”
I found this funny.
Still this much? Damn dude cooled off
Keep digging, “Leon”.
I don’t have the whole context so I might be missing some things, but the whole thing looks to me like “look at how much money I have to burn and how much I don’t care”.
He didn’t even want to buy Twitter, just manipulate the stock price by talking about buying it. Dumbass signed too much paperwork and waived too many rights, though, and found himself obligated to buy it anyway. Pretty sure he tried to fight it and lost.
So now he’s trying to not burn all his money, but he’s fucking terrible at it, so he’s just becoming a laughing stock.
its worth comes from being able to influence world politics. Does he seem like someone who cares or needs money?
True, but that power is also diminished greatly as more and more regular users abandon the site. No eyes on the propaganda makes it worth a lot less.
Yeah I’m sure I’m not the norm but I’m actually shocked when I see companies advertising their/their talent’s twitter accounts on tv broadcasts. I truly can’t believe that site is still mainstream after everything that’s happened.
Idk then I look over and see trump as a presidential candidate and ugh… I guess I’m just still not comfortable/accepting of how far off the rails things have gone 🙁
The natural language dataset is worth a lot. That’s why they’re and Reddit made the sites harder to use/scrape.
Twitter currently has $1.5 billion/year deficit which is a lot, even for Musk, to bankroll.
Source? Where is that money going?
Interest on loans, payroll, cloud infrastructure e.g. AWS
Those are mostly operating costs, offset by revenue, but are they actually losing 1.5 billion dollars a year? I mean, I hope so, but are they really?
that brightens my day a little to hear
I just checked and it’s worth nothing to anyone important.
he himself is worth less than that at least morally
He is a net loss for humanity is the currency is moralistic.
We be deep in the red between Trump, Bezos, this clown and many other “captains of industry”.
And may it continue to crash and burn. It’s just 4 chan at this point.
It’s like 4chan but it didn’t know where the line was for the amount of right wing people to be on a social media and ran a marathon
4chan at least had a consistent brand of being the anti-social network and being full of Nazis, weirdos, pedophiles and people who are just anti-social for the lulz. You couldn’t ruin 4chan.
Twitter’s image was being the “internet town-square for serious thinkers” with politicians, scientists, journalists and a small but good measure of standard shitposters. Loosing that brand diminishes it’s value massively. Unfortunately neither Bluesky nor Mastodon was able to catch that clientele yet.
A quarter is cute and all but…
I dont get it. Why would 1/10 be cooler than 1/4 ?
because it’s even less
Just wait.
same as my GameStop shares
We knew this was going to happen before he made the purchase.
Everyone said, the best way for Elon to keep his money was to change very little, or even take a hands-off approach.
Masnick suggested this would happen
It was that and so much worse. Moral of the story: Running a huge social media service is hard. Maybe don’t assume that because you’re a billionaire you’re the best at doing stuff.
Masnick’s post is well put, but also a disturbing reminder of how much power nation-states can exert over the Internet.
I mean the people at Twitter were very happy to sell it off. Remember how they actually sued to force him to go through with the deal and succeeded in stopping him from backing out?
Even if he’d managed it as well as the prior stewards, it was always a losing business.
If the price offered is actually a good price then I think they might have some obligation to shareholders to pursue it. (Many of the people making that decision likely also being shareholders.) Like if someone offered you more than what your stuff is worth but tried to changed their mind, wouldn’t you pursue that? I don’t think that’s any sort of indicator that they thought it was a sinking ship. It’s just in their best interest to take a good deal when they get one.
I think you make a good point. But we don’t have to guess whether they thought Twitter was struggling. We know it was.
Twitter never managed to develop an online ad business that matched the scale of its influence in popular culture and society at large. Twitter has lost money in six of the eight years since its IPO.
Source: CNBC
My point is that if someone offers you a good price for what you believe you have have, you take it. If they thought it was good and they got a good price for it they’d take it. If they thought it was bad and they got a good price for it they’d take it.
Masnick gives 20 levels of development. Elon stopped here:
Level Two: “We’re the free speech platform! But no CSAM!”
And that’s about it. Ex-Twitter has copyright infringement, hate speech and doesn’t give a fuck about local laws unless the law actually has teeth (Brasil, anybody?).
and then he fires trust and safety and it gets riddled and plagued with csam
The way to make it hurt is to establish a replacement that keeps discussions away from trolls and hate propaganda.
“Maybe don’t assume that because you’re a billionaire you’re the best at doing stuff.”
This is literally every second generation billionaire. They seem to have the tendency to believe that their success is solely due to their intelligence and not due to their parents connections and money.
Meanwhile he is on track to become the world’s first trillionaire
I think the purchase was more about welding power than any financial gain
First step to becoming a billionaire: start with 1 trillion
Would you not agree that he has a tool of influence with X? I see that as the main aspect of why you’d still buy twitter, even though he knew he wouldn’t earn money with that.
Now, call me crazy, but if I was optimizing for maximum welding power, I’d start with oxy acetylene and at least try a few other options. How would buying a website even be a good start?
No wonder people are making fun of him!
Hasn’t his wealth kinda flatlined lately though? X is doing terribly, Tesla is struggling a bit, I think SpaceX is at least doing well.
I don’t think he’s going to be a trillionaire any time soon.
He tried to back out, I don’t think any of this was about anything. He’s just a dick with a weird sense of humor.
I mean, yeah we all knew he overpaid, but losing over 75%? I didn’t expect that.
Twitter wasn’t profitable right? So most of the “value” is in the name of the product. Elon changed the name and added his signature to everything the platform was doing, completely changing the platform Twitter is. So yeah, I do get why 75% of the money is gone now.
Changing the name of one of the most valuable brands isn’t something I’d expect even him to do.
I wish, I wish… I wish I was a fish.
I wish there was an instrument other than the stock market whereby private individuals could combine their funds to perform hostile take-overs, and then manage them by pre-agreed conditions.
Like: we’re going to buy Twitter, build an AP interface on it, federate it, and operate it like a non-profit. We’re going to have a set of these S core values, with yearly votes on changes proportional to investment. No single investor can own more than T percent of shares Investors can sell their shares, or buy shares. Stock will never spilt. Management salaries, combined, can never exceed more than M% of non-management combined salaries, and run it as a Holocracy. Or, maybe, shares can only be sold to employees, who have to sell to other employees when they leave.
You know; try to design a good operating model that avoids the pitfalls of other companies, and can adapt when the model demonstrates perverse incentives. Put more thought into it than my ramblings above.
But ten billion dollars is a lot of money to put together, and the rules I’d like to see necessarily exclude the sort of profit-only driven capitalists who’d be able to contribute heavy loads, and would limit the amount that could contribute.
I may as well wish I were a fish.
Good news. Paraphyletic groups are bullshit that shouldn’t exist and if we get rid of them, then you actually are a fish.
I like your idea. But you’ll have to settle for being a fish.
As long as it’s still in operation and people view it as a valid platform, its numerical value is irrelevant. I won’t be happy until it goes away or is relegated to the likes of Truth Social.
Didn’t he pay too much for it in the first place?
paying too much is when you buy a ubisoft game. what he did is officially the worst deal since the financial crisis.
It is amazing how some people can fail upward
Yea. He made a baseless offer before investigating. And the. Got called on it.
That’s a good start, now keep going
I remember thinking twitter was bad before he took over
It’s now a complete shadow of what it was even just a couple of years ago. Just a quarter of its value seems generous
